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KK
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| Subject: Senate Democrats drop public health option Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:50 pm | |
| Democratic health care coalition survives deal
WASHINGTON – After agreeing tentatively to jettison a key liberal priority — a full-blown government-run insurance option — Senate Democrats woke up Wednesday to find that the fragile coalition backing President Barack Obama's health care bill is still together.
A leading liberal — former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean — and a much-courted moderate — Connecticut independent Sen. Joe Lieberman — both signaled they might be able to live with a compromise to offer private insurance plans under the auspices of the federal employee health program, while also allowing middle-aged people to buy into Medicare.
"I am encourged by the progress toward a consensus," Lieberman said in a statement issued by his office, which also underscored his opposition to a new government insurance plan that would compete with private carriers.
Dean, meanwhile, said the Medicare option for people age 55 to 64 was "a positive step forward." A physician, former presidential candidate and one-time Vermont governor, Dean has been one of the most vocal supporters of the idea that the government should get into the health insurance market.
"Using Medicare makes more sense than reinventing more bureaucracy," said Dean, appearing on CBS' "The Early Show."
However, as the Senate continued to debate, a powerful small business group swung into opposition. The National Federation of Independent Business, which was instrumental in defeating then-President Bill Clinton's health care bill in the 1990s, said the Democratic bill would raise costs and make it harder to create jobs.
"Despite the inclusion of insurance market reforms in the small-group and individual marketplaces, the savings that may materialize are too small for too few and the increases in premium costs are too great for too many," NFIB vice president Susan Eckerly said in a letter to Senate leaders.
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was upbeat about the bill's prospects.
"We've overcome a real problem that we had," Reid said in announcing what he called a "broad agreement" Tuesday night.
Officials said it included nonprofit national health plans administered by the Office of Personnel Management, which runs the popular federal employees' health plan, as well as opening Medicare to uninsured Americans beginning at age 55, effective in 2011.
Greater government involvement would potentially kick in if private insurance companies declined to participate in the nationwide plan, although details weren't available. One possibility was for the personnel office to set up a government-run plan, either national in scope or on a state-by-state basis.
"I think when people see this they'll really like what we've done," said Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who was among five moderate senators who spent several days negotiating with five liberals. Reid planned to describe the plan in greater detail after getting an analysis from the Congressional Budget Office.
The White House weighed in quickly with a statement from spokesman Reid Cherlin. "Senators are making great progress and we're pleased that they're working together to find common ground toward options that increase choice and competition," he said.
The Senate is in its second week of debate on the 10-year, nearly $1 trillion legislation that would dramatically remake the U.S. health care system and extend coverage to millions of the uninsured, with a new requirement for nearly everyone to purchase insurance. New purchasing marketplaces called exchanges would make it easier for small businesses and people without government or employer coverage to shop for health insurance, and onerous insurance company practices such as denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions would be banned.
The deal reached Tuesday puts even more requirements on insurers by requiring that 90 percent of premium dollars be spent on medical benefits, as opposed to administrative costs, officials said. The officials who described the details of the closed-door negotiations did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss them publicly.
Reid wants action on the health bill by Christmas but more challenges lie ahead. On Wednesday, senators expected to debate an amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., to legalize the importation of prescription drugs from Canada and several other countries as a way of holding down consumer costs. The idea enjoys widespread support but is opposed by the pharmaceutical industry, which has worked closely with the administration on health care and has spent millions of dollars on television advertisements in support of legislation.
The Food and Drug Administration issued a letter saying it would be "logistically challenging" to assure the safety of imported drugs, raising concerns without stating outright opposition.
Underscoring the heated emotions surrounding the government insurance plan, Reid refused to acknowledge its demise, contending that reports it was gone were "not true."
In a statement, Reid said the emerging compromise "includes a public option and will help ensure the American people win in two ways: one, insurance companies will face more competition, and two, the American people will have more choices."
It wasn't clear what he meant by a "public option" — the Medicare expansion or another element.
Either way, it's a far cry from what liberals had in mind when they envisioned the government competing directly with private insurers to offer health coverage to uninsured or self-employed Americans.
Even though the government plan would have been available to relatively few people, it took on outsize importance in the health care debate. Liberal groups clamored for it as necessary to offer consumers choice and competition, while Republicans and business groups — and critically, a bloc of moderate senators — contended it could mushroom out of control and drive private companies out of business.
Reid must have the support of all 58 Senate Democrats and two independents to achieve the necessary 60 votes to overcome Republican stalling tactics and advance legislation, giving great influence to the handful of moderates opposed to the government insurance plan.
Reid already faced the prospect of losing moderate Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., who said his support was in question after the failure of an amendment he offered Tuesday to insert tougher abortion restrictions into the legislation. The vote was 54-45. | |
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KK
Location : New York Super Powers : poastwhore Number of posts : 8316 pennies : 7853 Rep : 354
| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:55 pm | |
| ok, i'm confused. wasn't this the meat and potatoes of their whole plan? We needed the public option to drive competition. this was going to be the low cost offer people without insurance could afford. They said 40 million people could not afford insurance at todays prices. so now they are going to pass a bill that mandates every american has health insurance or pays a penalty. they strip the option they say will make this possible. so how do they all of a sudden afford it. funny thing, the senate plan also leaves 34 million unisured. but hey, a trillion dollars to cover 6 million people is a good deal, right? | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:58 pm | |
| Congress lower than car salesmen
Being a member of Congress rates as the least ethical and honest professions – faring worse than car salesmen by 4 percent – according to a new Gallup poll out Wednesday.
In a poll ranking how Americans view the honesty and ethical standards of 21 professions, Congressmen were rated as having a “low/very low” ethical standards by 55 percent of 1,017 adults across the nation. Only 9 percent said members of Congress have “high/very high” standards, while 35 percent gave the lawmakers an “average” rating.
Car salesmen were the only other professionals to get a “low/very low” rating by at least 50 percent of respondents, receiving 51 percent.
Senators ranked third lowest in the poll, earning a 49 percent “low/very low” ethical rating, beating out stockbrokers, 46 percent, and HMO managers at 43 percent.
Only 11 percent of respondents gave senators a “high/very high” ethical rating.
Nurses ranked as the most respected profession with an 83 percent positive rating. Following nurses were pharmacists at 66 percent, doctors at 65 percent, police officers at 63 percent and engineers, who received a 62 percent “high/very high” rating.
Governors were the only other political job polled, and ranked much higher than lawmakers in Washington. Only 15 percent said they had a “high/very high” opinion of governors, but 48 percent gave governors an “average” rating while 35 percent rated them as “low/very low." | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:59 pm | |
| at least the democrats have brought honor and dignity back to politics | |
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:16 am | |
| they forgot insurance salespersons - they're one signature away from lawyers | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:23 pm | |
| well their groundbreaking concept of the day from two days ago has just been dropped. these bozo's have no idea what they are doing. | |
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BMG
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:37 am | |
| - KK wrote:
- well their groundbreaking concept of the day from two days ago has just been dropped. these bozo's have no idea what they are doing.
Pretty disturbing when they seem desperate to pass something, not necessarily something good. This bunch MUST be removed from power. | |
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java
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:26 pm | |
| - BMG wrote:
- KK wrote:
- well their groundbreaking concept of the day from two days ago has just been dropped. these bozo's have no idea what they are doing.
Pretty disturbing when they seem desperate to pass something, not necessarily something good.
This bunch MUST be removed from power. Good luck with that. No really. | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:49 pm | |
| - BMG wrote:
- KK wrote:
- well their groundbreaking concept of the day from two days ago has just been dropped. these bozo's have no idea what they are doing.
Pretty disturbing when they seem desperate to pass something, not necessarily something good.
This bunch MUST be removed from power. as soon as they actually start putting the details in writing it will leak out and people will see how bad it really is | |
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Joebert
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:56 am | |
| Remember this is our money they are spending. When they finish they will probably vote themselves a nice raise and cut what our troops are getting. | |
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java
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:07 pm | |
| - Joebert wrote:
- Remember this is our money they are spending. When they finish they will probably vote themselves a nice raise and cut what our troops are getting.
Rec, except they've already spent all our money so now they'll be spending our great-grandchildren's debt on their next big fat raisin's | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:53 pm | |
| - Joebert wrote:
- Remember this is our money they are spending. When they finish they will probably vote themselves a nice raise and cut what our troops are getting.
are you kiding. they did that long before they put us in a deeper hole | |
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| Subject: HEY ? Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:27 pm | |
| Too Budget , is as best SPREAD about , Cautiously | |
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KK
Location : New York Super Powers : poastwhore Number of posts : 8316 pennies : 7853 Rep : 354
| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:11 pm | |
| can you believe they passed this do nothing legislation? | |
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Joebert
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:21 am | |
| - KK wrote:
- can you believe they passed this do nothing legislation?
The next thing the will pass is gas and a raise for themselves. | |
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Giada
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:11 pm | |
| Plenty of hot, stinkin air blowing in washington already. | |
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KK
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:51 pm | |
| - Giada wrote:
- Plenty of hot, stinkin air blowing in washington already.
20 inches of snow will be gone by tomorrow | |
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Joebert
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:20 am | |
| - KK wrote:
- Giada wrote:
- Plenty of hot, stinkin air blowing in washington already.
20 inches of snow will be gone by tomorrow Are you kidding they won't even go to work. | |
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Giada
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:36 pm | |
| - Joebert wrote:
- KK wrote:
- Giada wrote:
- Plenty of hot, stinkin air blowing in washington already.
20 inches of snow will be gone by tomorrow Are you kidding they won't even go to work. That's even better - they can't screw shit up when they're not there. | |
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Joebert
Age : 63 Location : @ Computer Hobbies : Sleep/Photography Humor : Seinfeld (show) has it all! Super Powers : Faster than a speeding bulet...is that bad? Number of posts : 3905 pennies : 3262 Rep : 97
| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:14 am | |
| They probably all have drivers we pay for...bastards. | |
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BMG
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| Subject: Re: Senate Democrats drop public health option Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:26 am | |
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